05.02.2013 - WoW Гайд по сумкам в WoW. Вов сумки


Гайд по сумкам в WoW - WoW

Cумки являются неотъемлемым атрибутом любого игрока в WoW. И неважно, какой у вас уровень, финансовое положение, фракция или раса сумки нужны всем. И, само собой, величина сумки персонажа, прямопропорциональна количеству вещей, помещенных в нее, и как следствие, количеству ценностей, которые хранит персональная банковская ячейка. В оригинале, у каждого перса предусмотрено наличие стандартного рюкзака с 16 ячейками добавочных 4 слотов, рассчитанных на сумку. Помимо этого, в личном банке, где под сумки дается: 28 ячеек и 7 стандартных слотов . Очевидно, что максимальный запас вещей, хранимых единовременно у персонажа, лимитирован. И вместительность, т. е. размеры вашей сумки, напрямую влияют на границы этого лимита Присутствует два вида сумок специализированные и обычные.

Обычные сумки Любой поднятый предмет, может быть размещен в этой в этой сумке. Следует помнить о том, что касается однотипных предметов (к примеру, руды или тканей) они комплектуются в пачках (или паках), в каждом из которых содержатся по 20 штук. Сумки с минимальным объемом в 1 ячейку (кошелек с мелочью), при поднятии превращаются в персональные, Вероятность их падения с мобов мала. 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26 и 28 такова дальнейшая градация сумок соответственно количеству ячеек (доступность последней лишь в Mists of Pandaria). Сумки появляются разными способами: падают с мобов, продаются торговцами, шьются портными. Покупка сумки на аукционе зачастую бывает нерентабельной для новичков (в особенности, если иметь в виду, что их нужно 11). Из подобной ситуации есть выход, который хорошо знают опытные игроки: купля Гербовой накидки фракции, которая является для расы своего персонажа стартовой (к примеру, Гербовая накидка Луносвета для эльфа кровиШтормграда для человека, Огримара для орка), лучше это сделать по-быстрее, и по инстам в ней перемещаться. Кроме этого, что репутация дается и запрохождение инстов, и за квесты. В результате, когда «Почтение» станет после выбранной репутации и города, появится возможность любое количество сумок приобрести, в буквальном смысле слова, за пару золотых (у прежнего торговца накидки). И все дела. Пока у вас не появятся деньжата, сумок на 16 ячеек обычно будет с лихвой хватать до тех пор, пока не возникнет необходимость в сумках из угольного шелка на 22 ячейки (или на 20 из ледяной ткани) у знакомого портного, на аукционе, или какая-либо другая солидная покупка. Если же, вам понадобится "большущая сумка" на 22 ячейки за 1200 голд, или же "переносная дыра в пространстве" на 24 ячейки за 3000 голд тогда вам прямая дорога в Шаттрат, где их можно приобрести у торговца Псении Кобчак. Несмотря на то, что на ингры затрат не избежать, тем не менее, для портных или миллионеров есть сумки: иллюзорная (на 26) и королевская (на 28). Это все об обычных сумках. Охотиться за редкими сумками можно, выиграв во время праздников, или подстеречь, когда они падают в инстах (хотя это редкое явление).

Специализированные сумки

Градация этих сумок связана с определенным типом вещей (к примеру, траву можно складывать только в сумки травника). Исходя из разновидностей, существуют следующие: - от 16 до36 ячеек сумки зачаровывателя. Сумку на 20 ячеек можно купить у торговца. Сумки на 16, 20, 24, 28, 32 и 36 ячеек шьют портные. Предназначены они для складирования «продуктов» распыления. Для энчатеров совет: чтобы удобно было складировать ингредиенты, следует купить себе несколько трасцендентных сумок на 36 ячеек и поставить их в банк. - от 20 до 36 ячеек сумки инженера. Сами инженеры делают на 24-36 (в виде ящика с инструментами). У торговцев продаются самые маленькие. - от 20 до 28 ячеек сумки кожевника. Их пошивом занимаются кожевники, а продажей торговцы. - от 16 до 36 ячеек сумки начертателя. Те, которые с большим с объемом шьют кожевники (рюкзак с бесчисленными карманами на 32 и сумка королевского начертателя на 36), а у торговцев продаются на 16 и 20 ячеек. - на 36 ячеек сумки рыбака. Инженеры занимаются изготовлением одного единственного «Ящика для рыболовной снасти мастера приманки».  - от 12 до 36 ячеек сумки травника. На 20, 24, 28, 32 и 36 ячеек шьют портные. Торговцы продают на 12 и 20 ячеек.  - от 20 до 36 ячеек сумки шахтера. Торговцы продают на 20 ячеек. А кожевники изготавливают на 28, 32 и 36.  - от 20 до 36 ячеек сумки ювелира. На 24 и 36 шьют портные. На 20 ячеек продают торговцы. на 32 ячейки (Переносной холодильник). - сумки кулинара за 10 жетонов железной лапы продается у торговца Намь Железная Лапа в Долине четырех Ветров. Она предназначена для продуктов и готовой еды. Приобрести все эти сумки можно посетив аукцион, т. к. более опытные игроки могут выставить их на аукционе по-дороже, после купли этих сумок у торговцев

Пожалуйста, пишите свои впечатления/вопросы/критику о гайде в комментариях - автору будет приятно :)

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Королевская сумка - Предмет - World of Warcraft

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Комментарий от Nulgar

I guess 24 slots is a placeholder/not final, because it'd be smaller than Иллюзорная сумка from Cata materials.

edit July 26th: Now it's 28 slot and BoE. Was kinda obvious, they ditched non-binding bags after Vanilla, and if it was always tradeable, it wouldn't be a money sink. BoA bag would've been the same as BoE since it's limited to realm.

Комментарий от dRAEMtYGER

For a short while there while in beta Bind on Equip was not listed and the number of slots was lower. Well as ComaCanadian says they updated that and now this looks like the new Illusionary Bag.

I hope this doesn't change. Currently it is NOT BoE and while it has 2 less slots than Illusionary Bag it will be awesome to be able to send this to other toons once you get (or get the mats for) a larger bag. Just like Mooncloth Bags.

Have not logged into the Beta to check this out just going off what Wowhead has listed here.

Комментарий от lorgion

They could be like the old Mooncloth bag then, it doesn't bind on usage/equip. So you could send them around to all your alts and if you ever got bigger bags you could just auction them off. Mooncloth bags being the same size as Netherweave bag, and somewhat more expensive to make.

The not so good thing is that the only place I spotted this pattern is on pictures from the black market auction house.

Комментарий от ComaCanadian

Newest beta patch 5.0.3 (15851), these are now 28 slot.

Imperial silk has 2 crafts now, 1 that just requires windwoll bolts, but has a cd of 1 day. Or one with the spirit of harmony that does not have a cd.

Комментарий от lemmingattack

Coincidence! If you use Imperial Silk rather than Song of Harmony, this 24-slot bag takes 24 stacks of cloth to make.

Комментарий от FlayOnDarkIron

The truly awesome thing about this bag is that it has 4 equal rows of 7 slots each. Really really hated the unevenness of the 22 and 26 slot bags, with their two extra slots sticking out all ungainly like out of the top of the bag.. ugh...

I'm sure I was the only one who is bother by that though lol

Комментарий от ADneo

Sad... and i just bought 11 illusionary Bags... lying blizzard said they wouldnt add any larger bags anymore. 30k gold

Комментарий от heine123

So let me get this straight... im supposed to get 1920 MoP Cloth.. for 8 more slots? that'll be like 25,000g atleast in early MoP... this should be a 30 slot bag atleast. 32 would be more acceptable.. 28 green, 30 rare, 32 epic.

This just seems like a complete waste of gold to me.

Комментарий от Lems

28 slots! Im seriously considering making one of my alts a tailor just so he can crank these out for me.

Комментарий от Mirobe

The materials for each bag depend on which pattern you use to make the Imperial Cloth.Using Imperial Cloth:Minimum 12 days and 480 Windwool Cloth (12 Imperial Cloth x 8 Windwool Bolts/Imperial Cloth x 5 Windwool Cloth/Windwool Bolt) to craft.ORUsing Song of Harmony:300 Windwool Cloth (12 Imperial Cloth x 5 Windwool Bolts/Imperial Cloth x 5 Windwool Cloth/Windwool Bolt) and 36 Spirit of Harmony (360 Motes of Harmony) and the time required to gather the mats.

Комментарий от stpaul

Matts for this are insane... It costs as much as 2x epic chest or 3x epic gloves. Taking into account prices mentioned items are sold on AH (~15k - 25k) I don't expect these any time soon. 50k gold for a bag anyone?)

Комментарий от Sentro

You can purchase the pattern from the quartermaster of the august celestials at your faction capital in the vale of eternal blossoms. Of course you have to be exalted with the august celestials before purchasing the pattern.

The pattern will always cost 40 gold (35 with the guildperk which reduces all prices by 10%). Strangely enough the discount for being exalted with the august celestials doesn't apply to the vendor of this pattern because he is the quartermaster of the august celestials but actually not part of the faction. This has been fixed.

Комментарий от BadMood

you need 12 day to make it also Императорский шелк its souldbound cant trade it so you should be Tailoring if u want to make it by your self or talk to someone with Tailoring and give him all mats and wait 12 day then he can give u the bag

Комментарий от lightcry

It's going to provide a decent profit in Mists of Pandaria for all the tailors who are whiling to make it. Hopefully we will see a lot of them going on the AH by the end of the patch.

as it requires the following :

- Being exalted with Небожители- 12 Императорский шелк (through Императорский шелк or Песня гармонии )

hope that been informative.

Комментарий от shotsing

I soon crafted 12 of Imperial Silk, I am gone make this, you guys think I should sell or use this ? What is it really worth on the AH ?

Комментарий от Feato

I must admit I do kind of have a bag fetish, but having the best bag in the game finally be an epic once again just makes my happy-bone tingle!Even though it was expensive and not really something anyone else can actually see it was totally worth it!

Now if only there was a way to alter that pesky backpack!

Комментарий от Sam97

Just 2 more slots for new bag and whole tons of new cosmetic items ? Seems this is not enough .

Why don't they add 36 slot bag for all items ? I think players required more space for new transmog gear .

Or they could at least add some more space to the void store .

Комментарий от cerveau

These are selling for 7k to 9k on silvermoon eu - which is just greedtheres no effort involved - easy mats.The price is only driven by the CD on the 12 mats.

Комментарий от Silvansaria

Seems to be about 12K (HORDE) and 24K (ALLIANCE) - Nordrassil server...

But it's so easy to make it's stupid. I get TONS of Windwool cloth just doing the daily's all over Pandaria.

Stock 'em up - make the Imperial Silk - make the Royal Satchel - done.

Hell - 5 bolts of Windwool cloth is only 125 gold g/t...

Spend the gold to buy one if you got it to burn I guess... Dumb - but whatever.

Комментарий от goldenaxe79

These are going for around 7k on both alliance and horde shadow council server, considering the ease of which making gold is these days I didn't hesitate to pick up 2 of these I love em. Bags are always a good investment they outlast gear and expansions, I still have my bottomless bags from vanilla great for the bank.

Комментарий от nostarg

Given that you can start crafting Imperial Silk long before you can obtain all the August Celestials rep you need to get the recipe, you could have a massive stack of silk just waiting to be turned into bags.

Комментарий от jordimues

how much are the prices for this bag on your realm's?

zenedar seems pretty cheap 3.5k

illusionary bag is still at 5k

Комментарий от Gim1993

I am a bag mania as well but i have tailoring on my alt mage and i know how boring it is to do the dailies all over again to get exalted so i have found a better and easier way to get exalted:). Simply go farm the Zandalari warscouts and Zandalari warbringers and farm the Украденный небесный жетон August Celestials mail them over your tailor character and raise the Украденный жетон Шадо-Пан Shado-pan ,Украденный жетон клакси klaxxi, Украденный жетон Золотого Лотоса golden lotus repp as well if you want and you can have a chance to get 1 of the 3 mounts (Поводья сланцевого доисторического дикорога & Поводья янтарного доисторического дикорога & Поводья нефритового доисторического дикорога)from the Zandalari Warbringers as well!(Depends the color of the Zandalari Warbringer's direhorn). Also you can get satchels from both the Zandalari Warbringers and Zandalari Warscouts (Небольшой мешок зандаларских припасов & Большой мешок зандаларских припасов) witch also can contain Windwool cloth for your daily Императорский шелк CD.My mage is Draenei and i was earning 2200 repp eitch insignia i was using cause it goes like this :1000 repp from the insignia + 10% from guild perk (Вы - звезда!) + 100% extra repp from the commendation Особый знак признания августейших Небожителей you get once you are revered (witch you can get with your main as the buff is for the whole account) so you will need around 20 insignias from 0/3000 until exalted.

The Zandalari Warbringer have around 21 million HP while Zandalari warscout has 6 million HP

Zandalari Warbringer and Zandalari Warscout's abilities: Tribal Mask ---> Horrific Visage : Feared for 8 seconds (Magic type dispellable)Scarab Brooch ---> Scarab Swarm: several AOEable Scarabs (Around 40K HP)Thundering Sigil ---> Thunder Crush: Avoidable lightning cloud on the ground (similiar to shockwave)Star Map ---> Meteor Shower: Avoid Meteors from the sky (can see black circles on the ground so u can avoid easily)Spirit Charm ---> Vengeful Spirit: Avoid the Spirit as it hits very hard (can be stunned, knockback or rooted)

The Zandalari Warbringer always has 4 of the 5 abilities while the Zandalari Warscout has 3 of the 5 abilitiies.The Zandalari Warbringer will drop 3 or 4 random stolen insignias while the Zandalari Warscout will drop only 1 random insigniaYou can easily solo a Zandalari Warscout with any class because you can stun, root or slow him while the Zandalari warbringer is kinda hard for some classes to solo because he is immune to all the types of CC but easily done with a tank and healer, also you can be on your alt if you have friends with a 2 seat mount like Фиал песков Sandstone drake or Сердце крыла ночи Obsidian Nightwing and get like 500K XP without rest or even 1M XP rested From Zandalari Warbringers

Good luck farming your insignias hope it helps:)

P.S.( You don't have to be level 90 my mage is level 85)

Комментарий от Taus

I really don't get people complaining about market prices on these. One person below even cited that it doesn't take long to go to Silken Fields and create --- totally missing the point.

The high-end bag market has always been gated behind a very high barrier of entry. Assuming you're starting from scratch at 85, we're talking about hours and hours of cloth farming (or about 50k, if not more, to buy the cloth) to level tailoring. Then there's leveling to 90. Assuming you have commendations, we're talking one week of Tillers to get your farm up (not required, sure, but of course you're going to do this. Then 1 - 2 weeks Golden Lotus dailies to Revered. Then 1 - 2 weeks Celestials dailies to get the pattern.

The opportunity cost that is lost by selling a bag instead of, say, gear, other mats from your farm, or even the Windwool itself is huge. In some cases it's higher than the price the bag sells for. And with a limited daily cooldown, every bag you sell is one you're not equipping.

It's not greed. It's market value, which is based on much more than just what mats go into the bag. This is true for every cooldown-based crafted material across all profs.

Комментарий от TheMuffinMan

So, what happens if we reach 36 slot bags?

My vote?Bag of Relative Dimensions."It's bigger on the inside."

Комментарий от DoINeedAName

Who's idea was it to make it the same graphic as Трансцендентная сумка/otherworldly-bag ? What if I accidentally sell it as a otherworldly bag? The price difference is significant! I think they should change the graphic of the otherworldly bag to something else.

Комментарий от Falkor89

I really do not understand why Blizzard has not yet compensated for the mandatory bag you have?

Is it just "me" or is that 16 slot bag a little to small very soon?Why don't they do something like - upgrading it for some gold?

LIke you can buy more slots for your guild and bank, why don't they make some kind of upgradable option for that specific bag?

Комментарий от Bradman

I Want This So Bad!

Комментарий от lecanard2

i am completely enamored with this bag

Комментарий от SteelySam

For those of you that have an alt making these bags I use my farm for the motes as well as the daily CD.

(assuming you use 16 patches of your farm for motes a day and you do not find any motes getting the cloth you need)

1 day = 1 imperial silk (daily CD) and 16 motes of harmony (or 1 spirit and 6 motes)30 motes = 1 imperial silk

1 bag would take 8 days leaving you with 8 motes leftover

this does not factor in cloth ( I use an alt to farm that as well )

Комментарий от Thundercatz

I'm still craving for blizzard to allow us to swap out or upgrade our 16slot backpack.

Please let it be...please! <3

Комментарий от icru

Got totes lucky and got one off the AH for 400g minimum bid! What was the seller thinking?

Комментарий от lampeskjermvask

The first thing I noticed about this bag is the vendor price. 1G 53s 87c. It seems very random.

And by saying that the price is random, I mean that just about every other bag in WoW has nice round prices. Like Иллюзорная сумка sells for 2G, Ледовая сумка also for 2G, Сумка из угольного шелка for 1,5G etc.

Комментарий от Ityer

Dam this is expensive :P but I guess for one of the biggest bag available, its going to be.

Комментарий от mangowarrior

What can I say, I absolutely love these Royal Satchels. The only mandatory items I keep in my bags is the Hearthstone, Skinning Knife and a Runed Copper Rod. I then go out into the world and farm til my bags are full. These bags plus my Traveler's Tundra Mammoth (to vendor trash) allow me to stay out in the world for a very long time.

Комментарий от benkarioz

Seeing how Дух гармонии is unbound as of 6.0.2 the raw mats needed to create this bag on the spot, using Песня гармонии are as follows:

Комментарий от lankybrit

Still a go to bag because of the nice size and it's divisible by 4 for those OCD types who don't like those extra 2 slots sticking out.

Комментарий от gfysprez

I’ve seen a lot of comments about the extra 2 slot sticking out on top of the “uneven” bags both for and against and I have to vote for the “even” bags. Not because of OCD or even the neatness factor - my reason is a bit more “BASIC” at the macro level, I have a general macro I use on all my toons that goes

/use 4 8

which means (in english) target your current target - can you help it(them) - YES then use what is in bag 4 slot 8 - NO - then use what is bag 4 slot 8 on yourself

what is in bag 4 slot 8 you ask - simple it’s the strongest bandage that toon can make –> no names to changes as you level First-Aid, simple short and HIGHLY effective all you have to do I make sure you have a bag in the left most bag slot (this is bag 4) and if its an “even” bag put your bandages in the right most column of the second row down (slot 8) (this still works for “uneven” bags but the location of slot 8 is off - middle left column of row 3 actually) for me using even bags just makes this easier to find in the cluttered mess my “must-have-with-me” bag carries you know the stuff you need when out in the wilds - food, drinks, health potions, bandages, fishing gear, gnomish jack-knife etc etc.

Come to think of it 28 slots really isn’t enough - I think I could get everything into 56 slots :)

<pauses writing to day dream about 56 slot bags - shudders when realizing for that much room Blizzard would probably want us to use the skin of 3 Elder Gods to make them>

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Ледовая сумка - Предмет - World of Warcraft

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Комментарий от Toldry

The WotLK version of Primal Mooncloth Bag.

Комментарий от shockhealz

no iwould think that the primal mooncloth version would be epic, rather than a rare item. this is more like the imbued netherweave bag

Комментарий от BenMS

One could probably assume that there will be a 24-slot bag to replace the Primal Mooncloth bag, with equivalent costs in gold/materials.

Комментарий от Shwaffle

Probably not considering they just released http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=38082.

Releasing 24 slot bags after having lots of people pay 1200g a bag for their invent AND banks (And a couple friends of mine even for their alts) I would foresee quite a few people raging at Blizzard and demanding refunds of some sort for those bags.

Комментарий от Yuka2

damn that haris pilton! her bags will be suprime even in WotLK!

Комментарий от Supercool

This IS roughly equivalent to Primal Mooncloth bags now. Just look at Moonshroud and Ebonweave cloth. Anyway, this perfectly follows the pattern from the previous expansion:

Pre-BC: 16-slot uncommon bags (Mooncloth), 18-slot rare bags (Bottomless Bag)

BC: 18-slot uncommon (Imbued Netherweave), 20-slot rare (Primal Mooncloth)

WotLK: 20-slot uncommon (Frostweave), 22-slot rare (Glacial)

Комментарий от Supercool

I actually suspect she might stop selling her bags when the expansion hits, since otherwise, why would anyone bother to make these? Judging from the materials involved, it doesn't look like it will be much cheaper, and a lot more hassle.

Комментарий от shockhealz

i hope they allow tailors to make epic 24 slot bags. and maybe a bind on pickup bag (25/26 slots?), so that people will be encouraged to pick up tailoring!

Комментарий от happysmiley

i wonder if this wil cost less than the "Gigantique" bag http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38082,but if it dosent or the cost differense is small i would buy atleast one "Gigantique" bag becuse its a achevement: My Sack is "Gigantique" http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=1165

Комментарий от Spleener

Pretty much. It's just that a much lower percentage of the playerbase had 18-slotters in vanilla compared to the number of people with 20-slotters now. So while in BC most went from 16s to 18s to 20s in LK they're just going from 20s to 22s.

Комментарий от EricWK

Personally, I think I'll be buying Haris Pilton's "Gigantique" Bags early on in Northrend, as opposed to making these. I have a tailor alt, but I can't see myself waiting 16 days per bag due to cooldowns. And I'm sure any tailors who do make these right away to probably use the bags themselves.

If the rate at which you get gold in Northrend is as high as I've heard, 1200g for the "Gigantique" Bags won't be a big deal at all. Besides, there's no 5000g riding skill to be bought this time around.

Комментарий от Urish

Well Fyi the ring enchants now require you to be an enchanter for the benefits of the enchant, i have 3 rings with the +4 stats and the enchant on the ring is red now because i am not an enchanter, however on the good side i can still use the rings...would really suck if i couldnt because how would i delete the enchant.....

Комментарий от Jorkor

I play since EU release. 400 days played. And i only had the 20 slot bag from ZA...never the expensive ones. I played a lot of pvp though were you hardly earn gold.So i go from 18 to 20 slot.^^

Комментарий от Peachz

Actually you'd only have to wait 8 days for one bag..

You can craft 4 cloths in 4 days, (which comes down to the same frequency as Transmuting)

  • 2 for your specialisation
  • 1 of each other cloth
Those you can't use (e.g in this case Spellweave) can be traded with other tailors into something you CAN use. Quite alot of that happened during the first couple of months after TBC was released.

Also the leveling of tailoring isn't that simple anymore.. You need around 8000 cloth and around 800 infinite dust to even get near the level you need to craft these. By the time you've gathered that amount of mats, I think you'll already have some of the cloths needed to craft your first couple of bags.

Комментарий от nalfer

mats

120 frostweave cloth26 infinite dust8 eternal shadow8 eternal life1 Eternium Thread

Комментарий от ivanparas

Tailors be warned not to sell these for too much, because if you sell this for more than 1200g, people will just buy a Gigantique Bag in Shattrath.

Комментарий от EternalHypnalgia

Where is the 30 slot bags? I was really looking forward to those in Wrath.

Комментарий от die4dethklok

where are*... and obviously not here.

Комментарий от Yuka2

less.. there's faction discount

Комментарий от uigrad

Tailors be warned not to sell these for too much, because if you sell this for more than 1200g, people will just buy a Gigantique Bag in Shattrath.

In that case, it is currently a useless recipe. The median price for ebonweave on the AH is 600g each, according to allakhazam. Selling a bag for less than 12k when the ebonweave alone costs 24k would be stupid.

Of course, once more people hit 77+ and can actually start transmuting ebonweave, I'm sure the price will drop dramatically.

Комментарий от justinkb

1k != 100 m8

Комментарий от Thanatosia

Ebonweave and Moonshroud are still selling for 250-300g on my server each, so this bag would cost over 2k worth of mats to make...... I'm sure the cloth prices will go down eventualy, but for the time being, and probably for at least the next couple months, "Gigantique" bags will probably still be cheaper then trying to get one of these made.

Even if you make the cloths yourself, you'd still be better off selling the cloths and buying Gigantiques untill the cloth prices fall.

Комментарий от GildedOne

As above poster said there is an effective price cap on these but a better way to look at it is. These bags are actually free they just caught time if you don't have the time to farm these mats the haris pilton bags are instant and most likely people will continue to buy those due to the nature of wow players because people who hate waiting for things.

I personally have my entire bank lined with haris pilton bags so ya...

Комментарий от darcphnx

Tailors really got the short end of the stick in wotlk. They got a carpet that requires you to have tailoring to use, and embroidery to cloaks. That's it. It's nice that I could make myself a 32 slot bag for warlocking purposes, but otherwise: the last sets are barely worth making, seeing they're equivalent to heroic gear and a lot harder to make. This bag is an exalted grind and is more expensive to make then piltons on my server. Really, only the 32 slot bags are market-worthy. Even they will go down as the cool-down cloth does. I really hope blizz adds to the profession in upcoming patches, otherwise I may ditch the profession for something more worth while.

Комментарий от n4rt0n

the price may change depending of your realm.

beside you can farm the mats and "get" some money to pay the tips:

120 frostweave cloth - You can farm from any humanoid in Northerend or buy on AH.

16 Infinite Dust - If the tailoring that you ask to do the cloths is enchanter, you can get some greens when farming the cloth and ask him to disenchant it (if you farm the cloth in maps higher than level 76 the greens may give you around 3-5 Infinite Dust per disenchant) or you can buy on AH.

4 Eternal Shadow (40 Crystallized Shadow) - You can farm it in Dragonblight(in the north inside a cave or in Wintergrasp when your faction has it) Average time per eternal is 40minutes(cave) 30minutes(wintergrasp).

4 Eternal Life (40 Crystallized Life) - You can farm it in many spots, but I advice Wintergrasp when your faction own it, I don't know the average time per eternal I never farm eternal life =P.

1 Eternium Thread - The Tailoring Supplier sells it (3g, or 2g if exalted with any major city)

On my server the average tip for speced tailoring(mooncloth/shadowcloth) is 150g (cause it's 2 by 1) you'll spend around 600g on tips(if specced the tailors) more the tip for the bag and mats if you get the mats by AH, depending of the realm it may coasts even more than Haris Pilton's bag (a tip for this bag shouldn't be cheap) if you buy all the mats on AH.

It may be very ennoying look for specced tailors but it's the cheapest/faster way to get the cloths cause you'll get 2 cloths by the price of 1.PS: If you look for 8 Eternal Shadow and 8 Eternal Life to create cloths with any Tailor that can create Ebonweave and Moonshroud, you may pay around 100g per tip, but it's even more faster than before, but much more expensive.

The pattern requires 445 Tailoring and Exalted with "The sons of Hodir".(take like 1month get exalted with them doing the dailies everyday since neutral).

Комментарий от Looris

Prices of rare cloths dropped recently on jaedenar. Since now they're around 100g each, it would mean more or less 800g per bag.

Haris Pilton is going to join the beggars in the tunnel soon (and don't tell me he saved some gold because you know she didn't).

Комментарий от erndog

Right now the price is an even 1k on my server

Комментарий от d3nyd

People expect handouts when it comes to these bags. Apparently the average price for one of these on my server (US-Stormscale) is 400g. But Moonshroud sells for 140g apiece and Ebonweave is 190g apiece. Not to mention you have to have 445 Tailoring and Exalted with Sons of Hodir to even make this bag. If the Gigantique bag sells for 1200g from Haris Pilton and I charge 800g for my Glacial Bag, I'd say I'm saving you quite a bit of money.

Комментарий от cummins

Nah. . . . Some judge will just take her outta there and put her on house arrest or something.

Комментарий от Oakhoof

On my realm these are cheaper than the gigantique bag by a good 500g

Who acares about minor archievements? :P

I was using 16 slotters on my dk and now the improvement is massive, it's like having another bag slot and even more (actually is 24 more slots which is incredible)

I'll spend less time empting my bags when I do baron runs :D

Комментарий от Steefvun

No, the 4 day cooldown is separate for the different types of cloth, so they run simulteaniously. Therefore you can craft 4 pieces of cloth every 4 days, not every 16 days.

Комментарий от kJer

correct me if im wrong i figured this real quickraw mats are:8 eternal life 8 eternal shadow 120 frostweave cloth 16 infinite dust1 eternium thread

Комментарий от Iroared

The roflcopter makes too much noise so I just use the windrider.The carpet on the other hand looks cool so I'm definetly going to use it on my tailor alt.

Комментарий от Destrae

These are still more in Anvilmar's AH than the "Gigantique" Bag that you don't have to buy the mats for or wait on a cool down.

A little mat chart, in case you wanna take a short cut or do the whole thing.Moonshroud x4-->Bolt of Imbuded Frostweave (x1 or x4 for Moonshroud)--------->Bolt of Frostweave (x2 each bolt or x8 for Moonshroud)-------------->Frostweave Cloth (x5 each bolt or x40 for Moonshroud--------->Infinite Dust (x2 for Frostweave or x8 for Moonshroud)-->Eternal Life (x2)

Ebonweave x4-->Bolt of Imbuded Frostweave (x1 or x4 for Ebonweave)--------->Bolt of Frostweave (x2 each bolt or x8 for Ebonweave)-------------->Frostweave Cloth (x5 each bolt or x40 for Ebonweave)--------->Infinite Dust (x2 for Frostweave or x8 for Ebonweave)-->Eternal Shadow (x8)

So it should be:80 Frostweave Cloth (not 120) or or 16 Infinite Dust8 Eternal Shadow8 Eternal life1 Eternium Thread

Комментарий от DoctorLore

According to the (as of yet) unconfirmed changes for 3.1.0, these will become 24 slot bags.

Source

Комментарий от Anseloth

yeah, for one thing, those fake notes could at least have taken the time to get the names right.

Mages• Torment of the Weak: Damage bonus reduced to 3%/7%/10%.

Torment the Weak

as in, not "Torment of the Weak".

it may be a real arcane talent that mages have, but, you would think that if they wanted to make "decent" fake patch notes, they could double-check the names they used.

but we are getting off topic, i guess. so, what prices have you guys seen for this bag? i've yet to see it on the AH for any buyout price. go figure

Комментарий от sorcerer25

i calculate 80 frostweave cloth too !BEFORE reading this reply :)

Комментарий от Ido2312

This is so lame...You would think that someone would ever need a bag of tailors,i expected that in wotlk i will have at least 24,and now i can make just 22 while the mats are super hard,so i prefer to get Haris's Pilton bag...That sucks.

Комментарий от russiandob

cool bag but kind of hard to make

Комментарий от nevar3289

Sells for about 550g-650g on my server, Thunderhorn Alliance.

However, I value these a little higher for a different reason for leveling Tailors. They become available to make at 445, and stay orange all the way to 450, making them the cheapest and safest option to level to 450.

Комментарий от Telarethiel

They do, that's why you can have TWO professions...

EDIT: Apparently, the part about wanting the ability to "dual spec" professions was removed from the previous posters statements.

Комментарий от stathisdjs

Yeah, but paying 600 gold +++ just to rise 1 skill, is just lol....I would NEVER recomend this. And if you consider making the mats yourself, 8 days for a bag is simply "LoL".Buying it is the best options since they're undercut at the moment, while a tailorer would even do green stuff instead of this to skill up.

Комментарий от Derren

These are still more in Anvilmar's AH than the "Gigantique" Bag that you don't have to buy the mats for or wait on a cool down.

A little mat chart, in case you wanna take a short cut or do the whole thing.Moonshroud x4-->Bolt of Imbuded Frostweave (x1 or x4 for Moonshroud)--------->Bolt of Frostweave (x2 each bolt or x8 for Moonshroud)-------------->Frostweave Cloth (x5 each bolt or x40 for Moonshroud--------->Infinite Dust (x2 for Frostweave or x8 for Moonshroud)-->Eternal Life (x2)

Ebonweave x4-->Bolt of Imbuded Frostweave (x1 or x4 for Ebonweave)--------->Bolt of Frostweave (x2 each bolt or x8 for Ebonweave)-------------->Frostweave Cloth (x5 each bolt or x40 for Ebonweave)--------->Infinite Dust (x2 for Frostweave or x8 for Ebonweave)-->Eternal Shadow (x8)

So it should be:80 Frostweave Cloth (not 120) or or 16 Infinite Dust8 Eternal Shadow8 Eternal life1 Eternium Thread

Thats for 1bag?

Комментарий от i3arracuda

So while in BC most went from 16s to 18s to 20s in LK they're just going from 20s to 22s.

You know, I've noticed the same correlation for rim sizes on a Chevrolet Caprice. If the past is any indication we'll soon be "riding" on 24 and 26-slotters, with the occasional bag-enthusiast rollin' on 28's. Woo woo!

Комментарий от davelo

in my server both moonshroud and ebonweave cost about 250-350G each, don't think i need to do math for this one (based on my server). no any ppl in my server want to buy this bag...

Комментарий от wowisl33t

What a messed up looking bag, BUT I WANT ONE!

Комментарий от Mild

In patch 3.3.3 the cooldown on all of the specialty cloth is being removed. However, Glacial Bag now will have a 7 day cooldown.

I'm personally trading all of my spellweave for ebon and moon to make bags with before the change happens, since bags will probably stay the same in price while cloth will be worth a fraction of the price it is now.

Комментарий от Ambellina

3.3.3 patch notes say they're removing the location and time cooldowns on all three northrend tailoring cloths (Spellweave, Ebonweave, Moonshroud) but adding a 7-day cooldown to crafting this.I can see the prices of these going even higher than the 800g they sell for on my server.

Комментарий от drame

since their getting a cooldown soon im investing all my gold in bags, so when the prices skyrokket or at least rise by a few 100g ill be a bit richer.

Комментарий от Enthorn

One thing to keep in mind also about this new 7-day cooldown is that a lot of the "low price" glacial bags on the AH (IE, ones on my realm go for 500-600 gold each) are because people make Glacial Bags to level tailoring to 450. They aren't really looking to make a profit off the glacial bag, so they'll sell it at a low price, because they were more interested in leveling off it.

Since it starts at 445, leveling tailors would make 5 of these to hit 450. Now that will take 35 days. Now, it's true that the majority of tailors are already 450, but ones still leveling it at least won't be able to flood 5 glacial bags onto the AH as obscenely low prices. Glacial bag prices should go up. I mean, the vendor 22-slot bag costs 1200 gold -- so that's a pretty good starting point for a 'max'... for a min, I just use 100 gold per cloth. That will drop, of course, but the cooldown should help keep it steady.

Note however that most things have huge mark up costs.

Eternal Life AH price: 20 goldEternal Shadow: 7 goldCost to make Imbued Frostweave (at 0.45 per frostweave and 1.50 per infinite dust): 7.50

Therefore the cost to make 1 moonshroud: 47.50To make 1 Ebonweave: 21.50To make 1 Glacial Bag: 276

To buy a 22 slot bag from vendor: 1200

Moonshroud is typically going for ~80 gold on my realm now. That's a 52.50 profit (assuming you're only making 1). Ebonweave is going for ~100 (a 365% markup from the 21.50 cost), which is a 78.50 profit .

The only thing keeping prices that high is the 4-day cooldown. With that lifted, prices will plummet. The only thing keeping the prices on glacial bags from falling as well is the 7-day cooldown. But the question then is, how low are tailors willing to go? Someone out there will make a bag costing them $200 and they'll want to sell it for $1000. Someone else will want to sell theirs for 900, then 800, then 500, then 250 -- regardless of the cooldown.

Комментарий от nadQui

In the latest Patch 3.3.3 notes, this is the following changes that will accure that can affect in crafting this bag.

Комментарий от Thoragim

Not realy, its not an exclusive mount, everyone can ride it, but only the engineers can make it.

Комментарий от zangora

Just wanna add some info for easier use.

1. Make sure you're not on cooldown to craft this bag (7 days).

2. Put all of these mats in your bags (not bank) :

* You can buy this eternals from Frozo (Dalaran) in exchange for Frozen Orb (1:1)

3. Use this crafting sequence :

Комментарий от omglolboom

wow, GL in selling these now with 4.0.1, Abyssal Bag has no cooldown and use less material.

Комментарий от FurySpec

If you're thinking about making these as a cheaper alternative to Embersilk Bags, bear in mind that the crafting spell (Ледовая сумка) still has a 7-day cooldown in Patch 5.4.

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Ячейка для сумки | WoWWiki

Ячейка для сумки это ячейка снаряжения для предмета "сумка", в которую можно поместить сумку, чтобы использовать ее для хранения вещей.

У каждого персонажа, в самом правом конце бара интерфейса, слева от стандартного заплечного мешка располагаются четыре дополнительные ячейки для сумок.

Банк продает семь дополнительных ячеек, в которые можно помещать заполненные сумки. Стоимость ячеек для сумок в банке увеличивается с каждой дополнительной купленной ячейкой, начинаясь c 10Silver , (увеличивающийся к 1Gold , 10Gold , 25GoldGold , 25GoldGold , 25GoldGold , 25GoldGold , в общей сложности для всех ячеек (не включая сумки, которые входят в них) 111GoldGold 10SilverSilver .

Пустая ячейка для сумки, в которой не помещена сумка, не может держать никакие предметы (кроме сумки).

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Возвращение в Каражан: теория большой сумки - Задание

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Комментарий от Jaxor

Bagzinga!

Комментарий от Cr0wl0ck

What big bag ? we have had Сумка из волшебной ткани for over a year and they are not that pricey...Crafting these might actually cost more for less value as it can be mass produced.

Комментарий от Rossmallo

Alternate Title given the quest text: Looks Aren't Everything.

Unless these bags are a component for something, they are literally worthless for the significantly higher cost.

Комментарий от Necromanic

"Recover a Bag of a Thousand Pockets and a Fel Sinew Bag from Karazhan."

Oh great...

If you are a solo player who was making money from Hexweave Bags you can kiss that cashcow goodbye because this friend wall friendly recipe apparently has no cooldown!

Комментарий от Shatterhawk

Okay, it says Kara, but which one? The old raid or the new mythic dungeon?

Комментарий от nucrus

Anyone know where this starts?

Комментарий от Xanaedarra

So, any clue what we have to do in this quest? I'm totally lost.

Комментарий от Xperia

Reply from GM when asked if new or old Kara. . .

"Hello "Name", Game Master Moonarkus here, I hope this message finds you well!

After the release of Legion and the fact that developers added several "secrets" to the game, Game Masters are no longer allowed to provide tips and suggestions :) but fortunately there are websites like this one that will make it up for it: http://www.wowhead.com.

In this case, the link you would like to look for is here: http://www.wowhead.com/quest=44741. It's the specific page for this quest and you can find comments on the bottom. They are updated constantly! :)

I take the chance to wish you a great day."

Комментарий от helenhealswow

Pretty sure it is from the updated version. I went and checked out the old anyway...nothing.

Комментарий от DoctorZOX

To Clarify this quest takes place in the NEW " Return to Karazhan Mythic Dungeon " 7.1 patch NOT the raid or the old version. When we got to Мороуз a couple people in our group had to go, so we did not kill him however when I moused over him it showed 0/1 for each item needed for this quest. I hope this helps. Will update once I complete(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Onyx1831##DELIM##

Комментарий от mariami

Патч обозначается числом «7.1» и получил название «Возвращение в Каражан». Главной фичей обновления является изменения Каражана во всех аспектах — это теперь не рейд, а подземелье для 5 игроков, уменьшенное количество боссов, сейчас их 9. Многие игроки, которые принимают участие в бета-тесте, сказали, что подземелье тяжелое, и нужно подробно изучить тактику, чтобы пройти его до конца.

Комментарий от karazyabko

Got first bag from Moroes yesterday, suspect second is from last boss

Комментарий от Zeratul010

The quest items drop off of Moroes and Viz'aduum, in the NEW Karazhan instance.

And yes, the material cost for these is ridiculously bad compared to Hexweave Bags, which basically require only time. However, it's not like there's a ton of other uses for Shal'dorei Silk/Imbued Silkweave currently.

Комментарий от Sp1naker

NPC which gives the quest is located at 40,33/69,48 in Suramar, Leyweaver Tytallo.

Комментарий от Geocthulu

Does blizz really think everyone wants to do mythics? Mythics should only be an option for those people that want a challenge. I personally don't need more challenges. I just need a stupid recipe.

Комментарий от jimbobaus

Fingers crossed these items drop from new heroic versions coming in 7.2

Комментарий от Arugadh

Yeah, Blizz is forcing us into Mythics just for freakin' profs and a silly recipe that's already outdone by existing old content recipes.

Worse, Mythics aren't available in auto-LFG, so if you're not in a guild or your guild isn't running mythic content, just kiss your prof progression good-bye. And if you happen to be a class/spec that isn't top of the DPS/tank/heal ranks, forget Mythics via the custom LFG completely.

Thanks, Blizz. Leave the Mythics for the players who want the challenge. If you're going to *require* them for profs, then have the courtesy of putting them into auto-LFG, so I won't get kicked just for being a spec no one wants.

Комментарий от Eighjan

Doesn't look like this is part of the Tailoring progress chain... so pretty much 'ignorable' for alt's. that aren't likely to see gear levels required for Mythic Dungeoning.

Комментарий от Findakin

This is exactly the kind of $h!t that makes me want to dump WoW and go back to EQ, or maybe try something new. Locking content I want to do, behind content I have no desire or intention to do, just plain sucks.

Комментарий от pablodee

WTF are blizz thinking ... so we have to try and find a mythic group to do this ? ...for a plan of 30 slot bags that i can already make ? .... I think they are trying to get rid of professions .... why make it such a pain in the ass ? ....it doesn't actually tell you you need a mythic group ...I'm not even sure how you get into this dungeon .... QQ

Комментарий от BregoVelen

Not everyone wants to do Dungeons/Raids. Whoever in the flying nether*[email protected]# thought this would be fun needs to be hog tied and pistol whipped!

Комментарий от keviinn1

hello.

can somewon help me with this quest i dont now what to do im new

Комментарий от agnasg

It's confirmed, these items drop from the heroic versions Lower Return to Karazhan and Upper Return to Karazhan

Комментарий от Azoney

In 7.2 it is now possible to complete this quest in Legion Heroic Dungeon Finder.

The Сумка с тысячей карманов is obtained from the boss Мороуз in the Lower Return to KarazhanThe Сумка жил Скверны is obtained from the end boss Виз'адуум Всевидящий in the Upper Return to Karazhan

Maybe it was implemented before 7.2 - I dont know cause I just came back from at long wow break.

Комментарий от Hetsig

Can be looted in the Heroic version. Lower gets you the moroes bag and upper gets you the other one.

Комментарий от JennyFoxx

Now obtainable in heroic.

Комментарий от Terrorka

In 7.2 still needed to be done this on mythic?

Комментарий от bsmorgan

There's a simple fix... Make this bag 32 slot. Come on Blizzard, pull your head out!

Комментарий от 0rph4n

In 7.1.5 patch, the quests items can only be obtained in Mythic, not in Mythic+

Комментарий от Shanixx

Anyone know the prereqs for this quest? I am standing at Leyweaver Tytallo, but he is not offering me the quest. If it matters, I have not finished either the tailoring or the Suramar questlines.

Комментарий от Greeny123

Reference to "The Big Bang Theory" TV show

Комментарий от Razzy1956

Blizzard is starting to drive me away. I am so freakin tired of getting quests and the quests don't indicate they have to be done a certain levels of dungeons or raids. For example, this professional bag quest. I went into the std instance and killed Moroes and zip....went out and voila, apparently since I didn't get the bag item I needed, I literally guess I have to do this in a dungeon....god only knows, because there are no groups for it available and I don't even know what level of dungeon/raid I would need if I am even guessing right about doing this in a group. I used to like working on a profession and that is part of the reason I pay these monthly dues to you Blizzard....but this blows. I can't tell you the number of times I have tried some quest only to find out LFR versus the "regular" RAID nomenclature has screwed me. Blizzard....listen up....ur taking part of the game away and making it difficult to even complete any parts of the regular game...Your about to lose a customer, wake up! Not everyone has the time to figure all this stuff out...we want to play, not read wowhead every 5 minutes to figure out what you want!

Комментарий от Marrim

Now available in Heroic mode with 7.2

Комментарий от warcanon

I'm surprised no one has mentioned The Big Bang Theory tv show and this quests name

Комментарий от Nayelly

How can I do this quest do I get a group or just go to a dangeon

Комментарий от thrugan

Ok I dropped Tailoring after i had done the quest for the bag the decided to pick up tailoring again my skill is almost back to 800. Anyone know how i will be able to get the recipe for the bag being that i have already done the quest once before?

Комментарий от jason555

Our whole universe was in a hot, dense stateThen nearly Hundreds thousands years ago expansion started, waitAzeroth began to cool, the orcs began to settleNer’zhul raised the deadWe built Stowmwind (we built the Orgrimmar)Engineering, alchemy, archeology, unraveling the mysteriesThat all started with the big bag !

Комментарий от Socairnone

I have never agreed with having to do dungeons or raids at any level to progress a profession or for for anything else for that matter or gather materials. Have them as alternative option to questing by all means but please take note not all of us want to do dungeons or raids ..whatever. Some of us like to play solo or as a small group we don't want to HAVE to do things we don't want to do the poor rewards are not relevant I do not want better rewards I for things I dont want to do. and On the subject of rewards... the reward for this quest chain and running kara twice as a 5 man is actually worse than a previous obtained item and it is harder to get the mats for it.

I do think blizz want us all to give up professions. The patterns are getting harder to obtain for the top end stuff as are the mats... WHY ON EARTH all Mats are not account bound is beyond me... When you follow long quest chains to obtain the skill level required and the patterns needed what happens ...you find you can only wear a limited number of items crafted items even if you made them for that toon or for another toon on the same account ....WHAT IS THAT ABOUT? You also find that someone can come along and be carried through a raid or dungeon by friends or guildies and get better gear with no effort. Why is top level crafted gear not equal to the best of the gear obtainable in other ways?

Комментарий от Socairnone

Important to note especially by blizzard .... That the majority of this thread is complaining about the pattern quality.... not having at least 34 slotshaving to do an previously near impossible to arrange mythic dungeon to get it ... it can at least now be done on heroic which is easier to queue for but still not popularand the length of the quest chain and all the other necessary hoops to get through just to get a pattern.

Yet no-one is talking about the actual quest... shotcuts and recommendations of how to minimise the waste of time and avoid any meaningless combat nd other useful facts.

I wasted my time getting attuned for Kara AGAIN. Found out the hard way its the doorway around the back you have to fly to that you MUST use.

Wowhead too is seemingly losing its way.. there is often little that is actually of use in many threads these days.

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Иллюзорная сумка - Предмет - World of Warcraft

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Комментарий от Tourlip

It is Glacial Bag of Cataclysm.

Creating the required Dreamcloth has 1 week cooldown, so creating one Иллюзорная сумка will take 5 weeks.

Комментарий от alpha5099

Not necessarily. There are six separate recipes for Dreamcloth currently listed, each one corresponding to one of our new motes: Volatile Water, Volatile Air, etc. Each of the six recipes say "This Dreamcloth recipe can only be created once a week." It seems unlikely that the six recipes share a week-long cooldown, so assuming you have access to all the Dreamcloth recipes you should be able to make one Illusionary Bag a week with one piece left over.

Now, how one gets the individual recipes is another matter. I expect them to be attached to the different reps, so it may be a while before you can actually produce six Dreamcloth a week.

Комментарий от bjornkrage

will this be the best possible bag to get, like glacial bag? and will there be more, cheaper bags like dragon hide bag?i havnt got the beta, so i cant really know for sure

Комментарий от Furystorm

Is there any ultimate bag like portable hole?

Комментарий от LoKHor

This is wrong. There are five viable Dreamcloth recipes, and they do not share a cooldown. You can create five per week if you have all five recipes (though getting the recipes will require a fair amount of rep grinding, no doubt). Which means that at eight Dreamcloth, this bag will take two weeks to create. At one per fortnight, in the early days of Cataclysm, these bags will cost a great deal of gold. Good luck supplying whatever demand there is on your server!

Комментарий от shintenma

If by great deal of gold you mean, no more than 3000g, then yes.

Комментарий от Synchronizor

Tailors, don't expect to sell this for more than 3k gold (unless you get lucky and find a buyer who is both rich and dumb), since there is a functionally identical bag available from Haris Pilton for that price.

Since BC, the pattern seems to be:

1) Late in one expansion, Haris Pilton starts selling a bag that is 2 slots higher than any other currently available

2) In the following expansion, bags with this new capacity show up as drops and/or tailoring recipes

BC (vendor) > WotLK (crafted)WotLK (vendor) > Cataclysm (crafted)

EDIT: This bag was upgraded from 24 slots to 26 slots in 4.0.6, so the above is not all accurate.

Комментарий от WorgenPriest

In your Face Haris Pilton!

Комментарий от tootsiexo

There are SIX dreamcloth recipes - 1) Dream of Azshara, 2) Dream of Deepholm, 3) Dream of Destruction, 4) Dream of Hyjay, 5) Dream of Ragnaros, and 6) Dream of Skywall.

Комментарий от AFitz

Fun facts:

Creating this bag will take 320 Угольный шелк (16 stacks)

It will also take 240 pieces of any, or all, of the following

or 32 pieces of

Also the shortest amount of time before single bag can be made is 2 sad lonely weeks. Since as of this message Ткань грезis BoP

edit: The Сфера хаоса recipe has no cooldown, so technically Ткань грез can be made in however long it takes you to run 5 heroics (and win the orb roll)(##RESPBREAK##)12##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##

Комментарий от AFitz

Fun facts:

Creating this bag will take 320 Embersilk Cloth (16 stacks)

It will also take 240 pieces in combination from the following

or 40 pieces of

Also the shortest amount of time before single bag can be made is 2 sad lonely weeks. Since as of this message Dreamcloth is BoP

Комментарий от bearcolombia

Although there may be some novelty to buying some of the first Illusionary Bags (*adding Illusionary to dictionary*:), it will provide the 24-slot bag for less than 3k to be competitive against Haris Pilton's unlimited holes, which are epic instead of rare, and provide an achieve.

Комментарий от Necro47

being 2 more slots than the hole renders my comments worthless :D

Комментарий от Sentan

The "fifth" is him linking the item, not a recipe.

Комментарий от ShadowBrooks

Just because an idiot it selling it for that doesn't mean it will sell :P

Prices should fluctuate around the price of vendor items.

Комментарий от Enthorn

Dream of Destruction has no cooldown, so one could hypothetically farm heroics on random and receive enough chaos orbs to make enough Dreamcloth to both buy the pattern for the bag and make the bag, or several bags, in as short of time as running heroics takes. Only Dreamcloth created using volatiles have a cooldown.

Concerning the cost that others have pointed out... current prices on volatiles on my realm average about 20 for Earth, 25 for Fire, 35 for Air, 10 for Water, and 8 for Life. That's an average of 19.6 gold. Cloth sells between 7 and 8 gold each. That's about 2400 gold there for the cloth and 4704 for the volatiles, bringing the total price to 7104 gold. Hypothetically, however:

If volatiles suddenly dropped in price, let's say life were to sell for 3 gold, water for 5, earth for 10, fire for 15, and 20 for air, the average would then be 10.6, bringing the price down to 2544. To then break even on 3k, cloth would have to drop in price down to 1.425 gold each (456 gold for 320 cloth).

Let's say though that you wanted to only use Volatile Life currently, because it's the cheapest, and you find someone willing to sell 240 Volatile Life for 6.5 gold each because you're buying in bulk. This would take you 8 weeks to make all the dreamcloth for 1 bag, but you would then only spend 1560 on the volatiles, giving you a nice cushion of 1440 gold for the cloth. Then you would only have to find someone willing to sell you cloth for 4.5 gold each. Alternatively, you could farm cloth (some people have reported 400-600 cloth per hour using Potion of Treasure Finding in Deepholm), so long as you were willing to sacrifice the opportunity cost of selling the cloth instead (IE, if you could sell the 320 cloth at 7 gold each, you would be losing 2.5 gold per cloth, as 4.5 was the max you were willing to pay, thus costing you 800 gold).

Alternatively, if cloth prices plummeted to, let's say, 3 gold each, then 320 cloth would cost 960 gold. This would give room for 2040 gold to be spent on volatiles. To break even at 3k, you'd have to buy 240 volatiles at an average price of 8.5 gold.

Комментарий от Simpuhl

I want 2 of these!

Комментарий от cbe5001

Patch 4.0.6 will change this bag to 26 slots, better get crafting!

Комментарий от Hakunamatata

Cause 2 additional bag slots are a true life saver!

Комментарий от Urythmic

bringing the total price to 71040 gold

I think you meant 7104.

lol @ extra zero

:-)

Комментарий от Shadowmelds

Takes 8 Dreamcloth to craft.

Recipe can be purchased in Twilight Highlands from the Cloth trader for 1 Dreamcloth.

Выкройка: иллюзорная сумка

Комментарий от forgottenfables

You're going to tell me that if you have complete sets of Un-Available gear from Vanilla that you'd delete it because it's useless and a waste of space?

Комментарий от forgottenfables

You're going to tell me that if you have complete sets of Un-Available gear from Vanilla that you'd delete it because it's useless and a waste of space?

Комментарий от gca3020

If you will never ever wear it again, yes.

Комментарий от prophecy623

It is a 26 slot bag now as of Patch 4.0.6!

Комментарий от galvin

Will existing illusionary bags made before the patch become 26 slot bags after the patch?

Комментарий от speshulist

That's like asking... "They changed the lvl 85 warlock spell to do 800% more damage. Are they going to change mine too since I was 85 before they made the change?"

Комментарий от galvin

Spells are not items, crafting something before an item gets changed doesn't mean its going to change automagically after the patch. It probably will but I rather be 100% sure.

Комментарий от galvin

Spells are not items, crafting something before an item gets changed doesn't mean its going to change automagically after the patch. It probably will but I rather be 100% sure.

Комментарий от spoonman184

That's like asking... "They changed the lvl 85 warlock spell to do -800% more damage. Are they going to change mine too since I was 85 before they made the change?"

fix't

Комментарий от svefnleysi

Why are people downrating valid questions?

Комментарий от tidav

Why are they downrating good questions? Heh, cos many 10yrs kids are playing wow, and some other adults have just very narrow world outlook...

Комментарий от marsjanka

As a tailor you dont have to spend gold on cloths. Remember Northerend scravenging? Yup, its now in Cataclysm. Extra pieces of cloth from nearly every mob looted.You can also farm volatiles but that will take a lot of time, but 8 bolts of cloth is 1 long random dungeon with every1 looting the mobs so you can have your bonus cloth.

Комментарий от tehlite

As of patch 4.0.6(Releasing February 9th) the Illusionary Bag will go from 24 to 26 slots.

Tailoring

  • Illusionary Bag now has 26 slots.

Комментарий от Bryanj

Anyone else disappointed the slots on the largest craftable bag are no longer divisible by 4 or am I just O.C.D?

Edit: Thanks for pointing out that there are other bags not devisible by 4, and missing my point completely.

Комментарий от Selaphiel

There are many bags not divisible by 4. There are the 6 slot, 10 slot, 14 slot, 18 slot and 22 slot backs that are not. Not to mention, the Penny Pouch.

Комментарий от Raspounch

I feel you dude

Комментарий от stufff

Yeah, you're the only one. You must be the only one using the default bag manager interface. Get Arkinventory.

Комментарий от anodynex

you are bad at wow if you dont have at least 4 of these equipped

Комментарий от Deathbang

If these weren't so expensive, I'd have bought a bunch. Not going to even bother denying I have a problem, but I will say that for those of us with hoarding problems, a cheaper 26 slot (or even 24 slot) would be nice.

Комментарий от thesandman87

well cost me about 100k but my bag slots both on my toon and on my bank are full of these babies. No more need for the tiny 24 slotters

Комментарий от jakodar

As of this date (5/14/2011), Patch 4.1.0a Haris Pilton offers the following bags:"Gigantique" Bag - 22 Slots - 1200GPortable Hole - 24 Slots - 3000G

Комментарий от Aurinaux

Actually, if anyone is curious, Blizzard has implied that they aren't intending to increase bag sizes any further.

From Ask the Devs #3:

We think bags are about as big as we can make them. Imagine if you got rid of all of the folders or directories on your computer and just stuffed everything into one big directory. That feels like the direction we’ll head if we keep down the path we’re on. Instead, we think a better solution is to make it easier to find what you’re looking for and provide alternative storage for things you don’t use often.

With that said, Illusionary Bags might be a wise investment. I suppose you could be careful and wait until patch 4.3, though.

Комментарий от mystictotem

i have 4 of them :)

Комментарий от Daikataro

I own five storage (yet playable) characters with 7 bank slots each, and a single-man guild (only members are the alts) with 6 bank tabs, yet i find myself striving for space, so yeah a large backpack for a reasonable price would be nice

Also note that mine would rarely qualify as hoarding, 95% of the stuff on my guildbank are all sorts of crafting materials including (but not limited to) loads of saronite, titanium, etc. bars, all sorts of enchanting dusts and shards, herbs to mill for every glyph known by the man (and three known only by dolphins) or to make alchemist pots, etc.

Yeah some of us are like squirrels saving anything we get for the winter, but i can tell you, saving stuff for the winter pays off when your server goes thru a starvation of a certain item! you can make three or four times what you paid for something if you sell it when there's no competitors, that's where the extra storage space pays itself off

Комментарий от Genoso

a man once told me possessions are merely illusions.... well now i have an illusionary bag for them too....

Комментарий от Trilok

It's IMBA: You need 8 (!) dreamcloth to make an Illusionary Bag.Portable Hole bag are 24 slot and cost only 2700. Listprice on my server (Earthen Ring) for an Illusionary Bag is around 4500-5000, but I don't know how they actually sell at his price level. I tried to sell one without success, so I decided to keep the bag for myself.

So it's IMBA because:The quantity of dreamcloth needed to produce one Illusionary Bag compared to pricing of Portable Hole.For 8 dreamcloth's it ought to be atleast a 32 slot bag. If not, then 28 slots for max. 6 dreamcloths would be reasonable.

Комментарий от Tanahtoen

Sorry to be a complete nitpicker, but for the record: The time to create this bag without using the chaos orb recipe is a few seconds over 1 week:Example: On Monday you create 5 pieces of cloth, the next Monday the other 3 and you can create the bag.

Комментарий от Tanahtoen

Sorry to be a complete nitpicker, but for the record: The minimum time to create this bag without using the chaos orb recipe is a few seconds over 1 week.Example: On Monday you create 5 pieces of cloth, the next Monday the other 3 and you can create the bag.

I made a mistake in my above comment. The above is only for people creating one bag and maybe another some time later. For people creating multiple bags, it is ofcourse a bit different. If you can make 5 cloth each cooldown, only the first bag will be created in one week.

week -> number of dreamcloth0 -> 51 -> 10 - 8 for bag one = 2 2 -> 7 3 ->12 - 8 for bag two = 44 -> 9 - 8 for bag three = 15 -> 66 -> 11 - 8 for bag four = 37 -> 8 - 8 for bag five = 0

Then you need to wait a week and the cycle starts again. So, for the first 5 bags you need 7 weeks (a bit under a week and a half per bag), then 8 weeks for each 5 bags afterwards (a bit over a week and a half per bag).

This is still without the chaos orbs! As stated, you can probably do this a lot quicker by farming chaos orbs. However, since chaos orbs are bop and drop in heroics, your tailor needs to be level 85 to farm these.

Комментарий от drummersauce

Running for about 5.5k on Kil'Jaeden Alliance...

Комментарий от radgh

You're saying this bag, which has two more slots than the portable hole, should be raised to 32 slots? And it's already cheaper than the portable hole?

I don't understand your reasoning.

The portable hole was added in 2009. It's nice to see tailors having something to sell. Not that these are in high demand...

Комментарий от KarlRhodes

Are there any 28 slot generic item bags due? While I'm a little ocd, I also think that bags where the slots don't divide by 4 (6,10,14, 18, 22, 26) are a waste of ui space. I can appreciate that people want lots of bag space - I know I do - but the extra 2 for such a big difference in gold and the resulting wasted UI space I mentioned put me off buying these.

Maybe it's just me?

Комментарий от Siigari

The going rate on my server (Emerald Dream) is roughly 4.2k for a bag. It's about 2500g for all 8 dreamcloth (going off average price from AH) and then markup.

I just captured my fourth bag today for COST on AH, and was pleased as punch. So much so, that I bought another one on AH for 3k, and relisted it for 4.2k. It sold in four hours.

To the people out there who are really upset at the cost of the bag, have patience and with some diligence you will find your deal. Because they are a tailored item, prices fluctuate wildly, and a lot of the time tailors are willing to sell for cost or just above cost to liquidate their item. Just be patient and your deal will come.

Комментарий от hellomynameis

Advertising that your sack was gigantic didn't work. This is the magicians try to make it better, but dont be fooled, its still just an illusion.

Комментарий от Ciel

In 4.3 Chaos Orbs will become BoE, that should drive down the price on these bags substantially.

Комментарий от Anarchopirate

Though it seems unlikely that they will add a larger bag, it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to see them adding an expensive bag sold by a vendor with the same number of slots. They did this with Переносная дыра в пространстве as well. So you still might wait a patch or two (or seventeen), it just be for a different 26 slot bag.

Комментарий от Dehir

ya i was stupid and bought this from ah but then got to shattrath city which had the Переносная дыра в пространстве and it was even cheaper(for 2.7k ) which is the price for my guild discounts etc :\

Комментарий от nightchicken

The bags themselves are selling for over 3200G on my server, but the material cost is slightly over 1800G, No cooldowns to worry with, so its almost half markup. (32 Chaos Orbs @50G each, 64 Embersilk Cloth @4.5G each) This makes any bag Pilton sells to be completely worthless on a cost per slot basis.

Комментарий от stephenrea

It's taken just over 4 months to craft enough Dreamcloth to make enough Illusionary Bags to fill all bank and toon slots for my main and now I can start selling them. :)

Комментарий от jaxsonbateman

I can't figure out if I should craft 11 of these or not for my main... on the one hand, it'd be a big upgrade from the 11 Gigantique Bags he's been carrying around since BC. On the other, lord knows that there'll be bigger bags in MoP which isn't too far off.

Комментарий от shotsing

I love big bags, but on my server sadly I feel like the only one so hard to sell big bags I have keep selling the 16 slots from TBC to make money from bags.....

Комментарий от Alexon88

THe price for Ghostly Spellthread now is about one tenth of this bag, so where you spend your money to craft is just a choice of time, both not very lucrative anymore.

Комментарий от Barleduq

This is currently going for 2448 - 2599 (lowest bid to highest buyout, 4 bags, all different sellers) on my server. Wishing, so much wishing, for lower price. Came here to see if it was a reasonable price, and I can't quite tell, due to the age of some of the comments.

Комментарий от miksi9119

this bag si great!

Комментарий от remerson73

This bag is also going for about 2.5k on my realm. And i dont see the point in buying one when i can make three - 4, 22 slot embersilk bags from the same cloth it takes to make 1 of these and they sell for about 500g to 800g each on the ah . On top of that> the dust only go's for 100 honor each and you only need 15 dust and less then 4 stacks of embersilk cloth. The bag im talking about you can make all you want and theres no cooldown on the cloth and the dust is from a vendor :D.if you dont want to grind dungeons to get the cloth i would same go to the darkmoon faire and fish up the crates. i got more the 20 stacks an hour and alot of other good stuff

Комментарий от Drakeblade

4*Illusionary bags

32 Dream cloth8 Bolt of Embersilk cloth5 Chaos orbs

32*4=128 Chaos orbs256 = botls of Embersilk cloth

Bolt of Embersilk cloth2280 Embersilk Cloth

Me figuring out what to farm / Buy to get 4 bags without having to wait for CD's

So basicly if you get 1280 Embersilk cloth, got them made to 256 bolts of embersilk. And got 128 Chaos orbs, the tailer could make 32 Dream cloths, which would be enough for 4 illusionary bags.

Комментарий от mountainmiester

The Royal Satchel takes only 12 days to create (Imperial Silk Cooldown) and only needs Windwool Cloth. It's a 28 slot bag. Sort of makes this bag obsolete now.

Комментарий от Taizen

An illusionary bag! What are you hiding in there?

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Комментарий от Grim32

This dropped for me today from the Champion Armaments. It's also been shown to be a quest reward from Missions via Followers.

Edit: Have uploaded data via wowhead client, awaiting for it to update.

Комментарий от Saper89

I've got it on my Priest and i want to say that this is INSANE!AP drops from EVERY world quests, and gives 500 base AP. That means it is about 0,5mln on 26 artifact knowledge.0,5mln is the same ammount as tokens from killing bosses on NH heroic.

EDIT: It was nerfed TO THE GROUND this same day. Now gives only 20k AP at 26AK

Комментарий от couchpotato2013

I'll be the first to say that this item is so horribly broken. As of now, this will grant a 500k AP token PER world quest. While emissary cache quests only give 400k. The old maw of souls AP runs have nothing on this. I understand that this is a legendary follower item and that being lucky should confer rewards, at least based upon what Blizzard says these days. Yes I know that AP means less now than it did before 7.2, and that blizzard wants us to "enjoy" world quests again. But this is ridiculous. Realistically this should grant a token per completed world quest that is 1/4 to 1/3 the amount of an emissary.

Комментарий от Bonehead872

Got one from the bonus champion's box from an armor mission. Very useful to get an early edge/be able to be lazy and still get a ton of ap.

Комментарий от Virmire

This was just nerfed to drop only 20k ap at artifact knowledge 26

Комментарий от sbensen

Question: Can you equip 2-3 legendaries on the same follower? O_O

Комментарий от Zapph

What is this item?

One of the 6 extra available legendary pieces of Champion Equipment added in 7.2, that accompany the previous 12. It is a consumable item that when used, can be 'socketed' into one of your Champions' equipment slot to give them the stated bonus during Class Order Hall missions and/or some bonus currency for completing world quests while the Champion is assigned as your combat ally.

This particular item combines the effect of Зелье Тритона and getting Жужжащий осколок from 20% of World Quests, giving the trait Чудесная сумка. Note Жужжащий осколок can also give double AP when you have researched Дух Армии погибели Легиона.

How do I use this item?

Your Champion must gain experience to be a level 110 blue/'rare' quality follower to unlock their first champion equipment slot, purple/'epic' quality to unlock their second and gilded/'titled' quality to unlock their third. You can then simply right click the item in your inventory and click into any of the blue-highlighted square boxes to permanently 'socket' the item into the champion, identical to how naval equipment worked for the Shipyard in WoD.

Be careful as using any new equipment over a slot will delete the previous one, so if you use a different piece of champion equipment over this legendary, it will be gone.

Where do I get this item?

This and other legendary pieces of champion equipment all have an extremely low (<1%) chance of being looted by any class from any source of champion's equipment such as:

Completing Строевая подготовка иссохших and looting the final reward chest, Сверкающий сундук с сокровищами.
  • Potentially higher chance for higher quality equipment at a higher score but unconfirmed.
Any of your Emissary caches can contain champion equipment.Randomly spawned chests across the broken isles, Сундук с эльфийскими сокровищами, Сундук с сокровищами ночнорожденных, Сундук предков врайкулов and Сундук Крутогорья all have a chance for champion equipment.Any of these missions from your Class order hall can randomly spawn with any piece of champion equipment, including the legendary ones.Additionally, any order hall missions that do spawn with a piece of champion equipment or armor as their primary reward, can also reward a Ящик со снаряжением для защитников or Сундук со снаряжением для защитников for their bonus loot, which gives any of the pieces of champion equipment, with the new Сундук со снаряжением для защитников seemingly only giving equipment that is at least rare quality.Головоломка Инграма which costs 50 Любопытная монета produces a piece of champion equipment every time it is used, with a 7 day cooldown.

As of 7.2, there is also Достойные защитники which is one of the four potential extra buffs from a constructed Command Center on the Broken shore, gives a Снаряжение защитника after talking to the guy inside the command center once, each time this particular buff is active in a command center. The box is guaranteed to contain 1 of the these newer 6 Legendary follower equipments.

Oh no! I just received this legendary item but it's for my followers, not me, is my bad luck protection screwed?

These are not affected and do not reset your bad luck protection for your regular legendaries. Official confirmation

While there are some shared sources such as the emissary cache and the withered training scenario to obtain both types of legendaries, these are obtained in a fundamentally different way, are not announced in your guild, do not seem to have any higher chance to be obtained via bad luck protection and logically, it would just be ridiculous for this tier of item to eclipse a piece of legendary gear, don't worry!

What are the other available legendary Champion Equipment items?

All the first 12 legendary equipment items are formed of an equivalent epic quality equipment bonus combined with another uncommon quality equipment bonus, and come in 6 pairs where the quality of the bonus is swapped between its components in each pair, detailed as follows:

The next 6 introduced in patch 7.2 are slightly different, while still retaining a mix of two bonuses, they are slightly different from their predecessors;

And are any of them really useful?

From the above tables we can see that the first 8 listed all have mutually exclusive bonuses, giving a large bonus to only missions or world quests when assigned as a combat ally and then small bonus to the other. In theory, these could perhaps be assigned as a combat ally and used to complete world quests, then remove them to complete missions and reassign them again in the morning, giving it a unique bonus over other equipments. In practice, this is not only tiresome and wastes a bit of resources each day but because the secondary effect is only that of an uncommon piece of equipment, the champion won't be as good as another champion with a good rare or epic quality piece of equipment so generally just isn't worth the effort.

The next 2 offer bonuses that are both active during all missions, which is great, except 5-15% mission time reduction isn't very useful when most valuable missions are very long anyway, and you'll often be wanting to stay above 8 hours to activate the great +15/20/30/40% buffs.

The last 2 of both tables are powerful as both of their bonuses are active when assigned as a combat ally, inarguably better than any lesser quality champion equipment and thus can accumulate a decent amount of gold and resources over time, with the new ones allowing you to acquire additional artifact power that no other equipment can do.

Зуб беса Скверны and Оберег безграничной ярости both combine the two epic quality effects of the previous set's 2 pairs of complimentary bonuses mentioned just above into one, instead of with the uncommon variant, a welcome upgrade. But Зуб беса Скверны still falls into the same pitfall as its predecessor, being a detriment on long missions. However, with 7.2, there appear to more useful <4 hour missions as well as having 3 equipment slots at titled, this could work very well on a specialised short mission countering champion, equipped with other duration shortening equipment and/or +% bonus under four hours, this can become a very useful champion. And with Оберег безграничной ярости, this is just even more additional resources for lucky players.

A final note of their usefulness, made much more prominent with the addition of the third equipment slot, would be that usually you can't equip two of the same pieces of equipment on a single ally, so if you wanted a whopping +45% success chance for all missions on one champion, as well as up to +30% extra depending on secondary counters, you could achieve that by equipping Перо гарпии, Фетиш удачи and Фиал зрения for example and they would stack quite nicely. You can also achieve 150g or 300 resources per world quest with a combat ally similarly as well, with a lot of other generally more lucrative combinations just by having one of these legendary equipments.

Overall, most of these 'legendary' items are not even better than epic counterparts, with often poorly itemized and/or exclusionary bonuses with half of their value coming from the fact that you can't pair up two identical equipments on one champion, and often don't feel very legendary to loot. That said, there were still some welcome improvements in 7.2.

Комментарий от BeerWolf

As someone that is working towards the 10000 WQs achievement, getting this off Снаряжение защитника is a real boon, 125g per WQ + 56k AP is pretty nice. :)

Комментарий от Johanmadden

As of 7.2.5 launch, this item has been changed to state it "grants chance of an artifact power token when completing World Quests as a combat ally." No longer 100% guaranteed drop rate.

The 1 AP item I've received so far was worth 5mil AP at AK40, however.

Комментарий от aphistionakis

This appears to have been quietly nerfed again in patch 7.2.5.

The tooltip now reads 'a chance' to get an AP token on completion of a WQ and the drop rate doesn't appear to be great.

Комментарий от Makhunty

As of Patch 7.2.5, equipping a follower with the Pouch of Wonder will give you a chance to get a Humming Shard upon completing a World Quest instead of earlier guaranteed Valiant's Glory. The Humming Shard is worth 5 million Artifact Power at AK level 40.

Комментарий от Hulana

In my opinion the most useless of all of the legendary equipment. 50 Gold are just ridiculous and you get so many artifact tokens anyway that this is just a waste of space. It doesn't give any order resources and doesn't help with class hall missions at all.

Комментарий от Rudy199

Grants 605,750,100 AP now with 54 AK unless doubled by class hall upgrade.

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